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  • May. 14th, 2006 at 8:19 PM
Pompeii
So, there's an interesting article about the rise of emotional support animals and the demand of the owners of such pets to be accommodated in airplanes, restaurants, etc... in the same way that blind people with service dogs, for instance, are.

And I find myself having a weird reaction to it - because I totally support the idea of mental/emotional disabilities as well as physical disabilities, and, furthermore, I'm very aware of how much comfort and support an animal can give.

But an emotional support duck? An emotional support goat? (As cited in the article) Let me tell you, I've been forced to sit next to a goat on top of a bus for more than an hour and it was not a fun experience, and it almost ate my jeans. (Yes, you laughed then and now, Mr. [info]havenstone, but the goat wasn't gnawing on your clothes!) If I pay $200+ for a plane seat, I kinda feel I have the right not to have a goat in the seat next to me, no matter how comforting its presence is to the third person in the row. Now, if there were definite proof that the goat were fully trained and calm, maybe. But even then, what if the other person was allergic? It's a tightly confined space, airline seating. And lots of people are afraid of dogs.

So yeah...I'm not really sure I'm willing to defend your right to take your emotional support duck on my plane. But maybe that makes me a bad person, or at least a selfish one.

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[info]fajitas wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 01:57 am (UTC)
It doesn't make you any less selfish than they are, especially in the case of allergies. The person who insists on bringing their goat on a plane, where someone else may be allergic to goats, is putting their mental well-being ahead of the other person's physical well-being. How is that not selfish as well?

I'm sorry, but someone who is not emotionally stable enough to sit through a meal without their emotional support animal does not sound like they are being supported. They sound like they are addicted.
[info]digitalemur wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 02:20 am (UTC)
The decision to acquire such a nonstandard animal for emotional support purposes is both questionable from an animal behavior standpoint, and from the standpoint of reasonable accommodations. It's behaviorally suspect in that ducks are not neurologically equipped to be companionable in the way that dogs or even cats or monkeys are, and unreasonable in that ducks are not trainable for much, and that includese housebreaking. And not only are they not housebroken, their offal is pretty objectionable and strong.

Goats are fairly trainable, in theory, but they'll still have trouble with stairs and I suspect they won't focus for long periods of time in the way that a working service dog will. I'm willing to accept service dogs in an airplane cabin, because they're trained to be minimal presences for other people. They're silent and trained to leave others alone; as you know, goats are pretty nosy animals.
[info]digitalemur wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 02:22 am (UTC)
Actually, come to think of it, my main criterion for animals that should be allowed in an aircraft cabin is lack of impact on other passengers. Small dogs are great. Small yippy dogs drive me nuts. Did my hermit crabs go annoying other people when I snuck them on planes? NO THEY DID NOT.

See, I just remembered that I've brought hermit crabs on planes....
[info]a_dodecahedron wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 09:03 am (UTC)
HERMIT CRABS ON A PLANE!!! I smell sequel. (Yeah, you could totally see that coming. Call me predictable—I still had to say it.)

But seriously, I'm with [info]orichalcum. IMHO, there's a difference between service animals highly trained to work effectively in human society (trained to refrain from eating delicious jeans, for example) and less trained and less predictable emotional support animals. Also, it seems to me that animals for emotional support are a great idea for improving mental health—I'm all for psychiatrists prescribing "get a pet"—but it's still hard to justify the claim that they have to be around every hour of the day, at least not in the same way as service animals for the blind, for example.
[info]digitalemur wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 01:23 pm (UTC)
Actually, I didn't think of that. Sequel!

And I'm okay with emotional support animals going everywhere, even though I'm sceptical about using them that way, as long as they're as well trained as traditional service animals. But I think people who train service animals for the blind and disabled choose who gets the animals based on an understanding of what the animal needs in order to do its work well and be a good citizen. From their behavior, I think some of the emotional support cases don't show signs of understading how to be a good public citizen, and would not qualify. Blind _people_ have to train and pass tests to get service dogs, just like the dogs have to train and pass tests to be service dogs.
[info]stolen_tea wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)
I think that service animals should be treated as extensions of the person, in most cases. So they're allowed, generally. But if the animal keeps making offensive noises, or emits an offensive smell, or starts eating other people's pants, then I'd say that the person and animal should both be made to leave, just like if the person were to start doing that themselves.

Dogs are mostly non-allergenic and trainable; a real service dog shouldn't do anything to make other people nervous. And those people who, like me, sometimes get nervous around large dogs for no real reason, should realize that it's their own problem and deal with it as best they may. :( (I've gotten a lot better with slow, calm dogs. But energetic ones still freak me out.)
[info]orichalcum wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 04:31 am (UTC)
Hmm...you should probably hold off on visiting us until Eowyn's gotten a bit older and better trained, then, or give us warning so we can crate her. She means well, but people really excite her.

Part of the issue raised in the article is that the definition of "trained" is getting stretched by these emotional support animals, who haven't been "trained" to do anything but make their owners feel better and haven't gone through the kind of extensive programs that service or even therapy animals have.
[info]havenstone wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 03:48 pm (UTC)
Hey, that goat was providing me with emotional support during a very difficult time. You could always buy another pair of jeans.
[info]orichalcum wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 04:02 pm (UTC)
Goat on a Bus, the sequel to Snakes on a Plane?
[info]hillarygayle wrote:
May. 15th, 2006 06:38 pm (UTC)
I have cousins and a best friend who are so massively allergic that being on an airplane with an animal could trigger one heck of an episode, complete with asthma attack. I'm also very supportive of emotional support animals, but allowing them to be in confined spaces like that just seems to be asking for trouble, to me.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 25th, 2006 10:10 pm (UTC)
emotional support animals on planes.
I work on planes daily. I have seen an increase in these types of pets. I believe peaple are getting there pets qualified as "emotional support animals in order to have the right to hold them in their lap, which they would not be allowed to do otherwise. The problem with these emotion support pets is they have no special training and are not tested to see if they, {meaning the dog}, are emotionlly sound. If you are with someone with emotional problems, are the dogs emotionlly sound?

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